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Pagano-Papismus; Or, an Exact Parallel Between Rome-Pagan and Rome-Christian, in Their Doctrines and Ceremonies

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To them was delivered a Book by Granvell, given to Caesar, as he said, by some good man; the Heads whereof he would have them to consider, which were, Of the Creation of Man, and his Integrity of Nature before the Fall, Of Free-will, Of the cause of Sin, Of Original Sin, Of Justification of a sinner, Of the Church, Signs, and Authority thereof, Of the Word, Repen­tance, Of the Authority of the Church in Interpretation of Scri­pture, Of Absolution, Matrimony, Of the Sacraments, Of Or­der, Of Images, The Mass, Administration of Sacraments, Of Discipline of the Church, Ministers and People. Eccius erat impatiens at (que) morosus, nam & librum fa­stidiebat, & collegas minime probabat qui egerant rem diligenter, & reconciliarunt multa, nec illa quidem levia doctrinae capita. Ibid. In this Colloquie Eccius shewed himself impatient and froward, and disdained the Book, and disliked his Collegues: yet they handled the matter diligently, and reconciled some Heads of Doctrine of no small moment. Anno 1546. The second proof of his partiality is this; when Doctor Bri­an hath proved our Churches of England to be true Churches of Christ by convincing arguments; Nam quae non prosunt sin­gula, juncta valent. Disp. p. 6. (convincing if taken toge­ther, though all of them be not of equal evidence and vigour [...]) all that avails nothing towards Mr. O. his satisfaction, unless he prove an impertinency to the Question, viz. That they were true Churches from their very foundation, that is, as he explaineth himself more fully elsewhere, that all the parishes of this Nation, in their first division into Parishes were visible Saints, and that those Churches gathered by preaching onely 500. Exam. of Dr. Br. Reply. p. 30, 37. Ibid. p. 24. Disp. p. 5. years before Augu­stine the Monk, were such as our Parishes now are, or that they are such now, as they were then: and this he maketh the life of the Doctors cause; and if he prove not this (saith he) he doth nothing, whereas it is neither the life nor limb of his cause; no, neither hair nor nail of it; neither a skirt nor an hem: but indeed meet nothing to the purpose. And therefore the Doctor did justly and discreetly decline it as impertinent, saying, it is our Chur­ches present, not their primitive state which I undertake to vin­dicate; and this upon very good reason. For, Secondly, Some things they did as men ingenuously educated, and endowed with knowledge of Arts, and Tongues, and Hi­stonies, and so many who are in their Religion and Profession Popish, have written divers excellent Books and Discourses of all sorts. The Popes now adayes, and of long time ago, are made by Cardinals, and he makes them again, as Ice and Water pro­duce one another; but the Pope seldom makes Bishops, but Bishops make Bishops, both according So in the Canon of those that are falsely called the Canons of the Apostles. Bin. Tom. 1. Can. 1. p. 16. Concil. Arelatens. Ann. 314. It was ordained there should be Bishops to consecrate Bishops, three at the [...]east. Arelat. Can. 21. Tom. 1. Concil. p. 267. col. 1. to Ecclesiastical con­stitution, constant custom, and usage of the Church.

Sixthly, And oft times it falls out, that by the subtilty or elo­quence of Disputants, when they are somewhat evenly match­ed, the Auditory is kept pendulous, or irresolute; even he, perhaps, for whose sake the Dispute or Conference was under­taken, as Ille cujus causa in con­gressum de­scendis Scrip­turarum, ut cum dubitantem confirmes ad veritatem an nagis ad haeresim deverget, hoc ipso motus, quod te videat nihil promovisse aequo gradu negandi & defendendi, certe de pari & altercatione incertior discedit, nesciens quem Haereticum judicet. Ter [...]ul. prae­script. advers. haereticos Tom. 1. c. 18. p. 170. Tertull. sheweth; He, saith Tertullian, for whose cause thou descendest into a Controversie of Scripture, that thou maist confirm him against doubting, it is hard to say whether he tend more to Verity or to Heresie, because he sees thou pre­vailest nothing, the dispute going on in an equal degree of denying and defending: certainly by such a parity in altercation he will depart more uncertain, not knowing what he should judge to be Heresie. Ans. A Leg. aur. fol. 180. p. 2. col. 1. young man died and raised by miracle, said, there was in heaven a void seat; and asking whose it was, answer was made, that it was kept for a great Bishop of England named Thomas of Canturbury. Symbolum dedit, coenavit. Ter. Andr. Act. 1. Sen. 1. Durand. Ratio­nal. l. 4. c. 25. fol. 133. p. 1. Erasm. Cate­chism. Symboli Apostolor. &c. set out with pictures to eve­ry Article at the beginning of the book. The due Right of Tithes examined by an aged Gen­tleman, for Tho. Pierripont at the Sun in Pauls Church-yard, printed 1654. in 4 to.He implicitely taxeth Gods dealing with his own peculiar Nation the Jews, as guilty of partiality to the Priests, and of oppression of the people; for the proportion paid from the one to the other, was much more than the Ministers of England receive or require of their Parishioners. Eighthly, If there were a necessity that Mr. O. should be fur­ther answered by you, or some body for you, you have three Sons, the youngest of whom would be able enough to under­take him by an Examination and Conviction of his Examinati­on of error and slander, of pride and vanity: but neither would I have any of them put to so unprofitable a Task, because I hear they are all of them dayly employed in better work. Therefore, CHAP. II. Of a contrary disposition in some too much addicted to disputation; in being too forward to make or accept of offers of dispute, and multiplying of needlesse and presumptuous questions and resolutions in matters of Religion. Thirdly, But if there were a perfect copy of the Dispute made up by the Doctor and him, that copy was committed to Mr. O. his hand to be promoted to the Press, and no copy kept, whereby it might be known to be truely printed: such was the Doctors candid and suspectless dealing with his adversary, which laid a great engagement upon him, of fair and ingenuous cor­respondence with him again. Sacriledge a Snare, by Lancelot Andrews, for Andr, Heb at the Bel in Pauls church­yard, printed 1646.

Answ. Not so neither; for in the primitive times, when Chri­stianity was persecuted, Mr. Fox Martyr. vol. 1. p. 732. col. 2. 22 Bishops of Rome for it were mar­tyred one after another, from the Apostles time downward, to the end of the third Century; and it will be no good manners neither in morality nor Christianity to call them Antichristian, who laid down their lives for Christs sake. It would have signified some modesty in Mr. O. not to have appoynted Dr. Br. but to have the turns of dispute as he would appoint them.

Fifthly, Some account it their credit to be no changelings, especially in Religion; not knowing the difference betwixt con­stancy and obstinacy. Fifthly, you have too much precious work in your hands e­very day, then that you can warrantably lay any part of it a­side, to contend with such an obstinate adversary as Mr. Onley is; and I am verily perswaded, and I assure my self, many that know your various and uncessant pains for the souls of your people of Coventry, are of my mind, that thereby you do more good in a week there, then you shall do by disputing with, or writing against a perverse Anabaptist a whole year toge­ther. ORMEROD, OLIVER (1580?–1626), controversialist, born about 1580, was descended paternally from a family which assumed the name of their estate at Ormerod in Lancashire in the reign of Henry III. He was the second son of Oliver Ormerod of Haslingden, Lancashire, by Sibylla Hargrave ( Whitaker, Hist. of Whalley, 4th edit. ii. 220). He was educated at Emmanuel College, Cambridge, where he was admitted a sizar on 6 June 1596 ( Addit. MS. 5851, p. 36). He graduated B.A. in 1599, but took no other degree. His polemical works brought him to the notice of William Bourchier, third earl of Bath, on whose presentation he was instituted first to the rectory of Norton-Fitzwarren, Somerset, on 20 March 1609–10, and afterwards, on 31 March 1617, to the rectory of Huntspill in the same county, where he died in 1626. His will, dated 17 Jan. 1625–6, was proved at the Prerogative Office, London, on 28 June 1626.

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